armstrong exceeded $30 million, or the treble damages -- >> by the way, lance armstrong is the least of the post office's problems. >> major financial problems, yes, sir. >> i do wonder how other sponsors and other people are going to come out and say, you lied, and you did me harm. what will be the definition of harm done where you, for example, you take up a client's case. >> you're tarnished. you supported lance armstrong and believed in him, and in your contract it said there was an antidoping clause or a moral clause. we want to attach our brand with good, upstanding citizens, not drug addicts and that's what their argument is going to be. >> they're going to argue interior back, a lot of them would want to dissort themselves. >> a lot of people invested in him. there's been settlements to prove he didn't dope, to protect him. there was a libel suit -- >> people raised money -- >> of course. it's ridiculous. >> he is supposedly worth $100 million. i also know he took out a home equity loan on one 0 of his homes for a million dollars. so he is obviously preparing for michigan. ho